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| Another thread designed to explore different pokemon strategy types. This time, sweepers.
On the subject, I think tormental's stats are set up perfectly to make it a special sweeper. It's fast, and has high special attack. Though it's defenses seem low. So it looks like it's built to knock out pokemon before those pokemon knock it out |
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| I suppose, but Tormental seems like it'll have some utility to it as well, being a Ghost with a good ability. But it seems easy enough to wall if you try hard enough. Infernox, on the other hand, is the best sweeper in the game, hands down 
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Natural | | 05/20/14 07:24 pm - Last edited 05/20/14 07:31 pm by Natural | Filter - Reply #2 |
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| Guess I don't know what a sweeper is. Lol
Is it something that can flexibly deal lots of damage to all different sorts of pokemon? I would think some good sweepers would be in ice sense it gets super effective hits against lots of different types of pokemon
Edit: oh! Just looked it up. Tormental's stats suggest its a glass cannon. Ok, I was wrong |
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Coronation | | 05/21/14 03:19 am - Last edited 05/21/14 03:21 am by Coronation | Filter - Reply #3 |
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| Ugh... about Ice types being sweepers... try telling that to Nintendo, which despite Ice's terrible defensive capabilities, insist that 95% of them be bulky attackers or walls >_>
And yes, what seperates a sweeper from a so called "glass cannon" is that sweepers need the ability to wall-break, pushing aside lots of common Pokemon and common defensive typings. Fire and Mythic are both great offensive typings, but Mythic also gives Infernox the defenses it needs to come in easier on a variety of Pokemon and scare them out. Bulky Waters like Spiquil and Jelluminous are mandatory, or really bulky Grounds/Rocks if you could somehow get it in safely. Tormental seems like it would lack the proper coverage to force switches like that, and it is really frail, so you're most likely gonna spam Shadow Ball/Hurricane or whatever it's going to get, which is good coverage, but not wall-breaking. You'd use it to take out specific guys - basically what I'm saying is that Tormental would most likely be too useful to just attack with (you're probably using it for its abilities), especially since it'll probably faint if the opponent retaliates. Not too many Pokemon are lopsided enough statwise/have the movepools to sweep per say - maybe a Mechasnap or a Cesleock or something could pick off large parts of a team if set up to do so, but I can't imagine most PT 'mons like 5-0ing someone, especially since you can carry 7 Pokemon.
EDIT: Alternatively, a sweeper can simply have a good stat-boosting move and easy ways to get time to use it, but I'm not aware of any PT guys myself that qualify... |
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| I think game freak wanted ice to feel like ice flavor wise. Avalugg is as close to what you would expect a chunk of ice to be as you can get. Though they should pair it with a type that cancels out some of its weaknesses, and gives it lots of resistance if they want to do that. I'm not really sure they would do otherwise unless it was paired with a fast type which generally ignores defenses for power. Like fire. Hopefully, though, the ice/spirit type is built like a sweeper.
Diabra, has sweeping potential do to its type. Though that's if it gets taunt. Boolian maybe as well |
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| Nasty Plot Diabra certainly could be a thing, being the move only seems logical. Save for Fighting-type attacks, Mechasnap could do pretty well with a boosting move too (Hone Claws perhaps?)
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Coronation | | 05/21/14 02:53 pm - Last edited 05/21/14 03:15 pm by Coronation | Filter - Reply #6 |
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| Diabra's wayyy too slow to sweep anything. Its coverage seems bad too - from what I can tell, Pokemon such as Mechasnap wall it completely, and others that resist Dark and could take an un-STAB'd Air Slash could probably counter too. You'd probably have to pair it up with a Grillowatt to get that to work, in my opinion.
@Natural: But clearly, you can see that lots of these Ice types don't work because of their typing, and the fact that we've basically only gotten mono-ice for the last 2 gens. Like, just take Avalugg...and imagine if it was a Water type instead... You could just see how amazing it would be That's the effect of what a typing can do to a Pokemon. |
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Natural | | 05/21/14 03:52 pm - Last edited 05/21/14 05:54 pm by Natural | Filter - Reply #7 |
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| I think game freak is probably doing experiments and gathering data. There probably removed from the competitive battling scene, and are trying to figure out how to make pure ice work. Well the only way it's going to work is if it's stats and move pool make it a sweeper
Edit: what are your thoughts on raphlaze as a possible sweeper?
Edit: raccoons are surprisingly very intelligent. So I can see raphlaze getting access to both nasty plot and taunt. In addition, fire/fight is excellent coverage. It's attacking stats even allow for versatility, reflecting the raccoons versatile and adaptable mental capabilities |
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| What about Voyant? Haven't been too many Psychic sweepers since the Alakazam days, least none that I've seen anyway (maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? lol), but I think Voyant, with the right moves, could stock up pretty well.
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| Raphlaze (didn't even know its base stats 'till now) is basically a Blaziken with less Special Attack, so they'd most likely perform the same. The typing's there to sweep - you just gotta work on the speed somehow, whether through nature or a boost or whatever.
@Iceburg: Voyant's not a bad choice if you wanted a sweeper - it does get Hypnosis and CM access after all, and it's naturally powerful. It's got the same speed as Raphlaze though, but both of these guys could probably take down a softened team in their own ways. |
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| Voyant also has Recover which is pretty great after a couple of CMs if you're against a special attacker. |
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| Yeah, Voyant could probably spare the slot for it if you weren't using Thunder Wave or something.
@Natural: About Ice types, one thing I always tell people about them is that Greninja is the best Ice type in the game.... A fast, strong Pokemon that can turn Ice only when it needs to, and be anything else outside of that. |
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| I thought Greinja was water/dark? o.O |
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| That's the point |
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| .......ooooooohhhhhhhh, right, slow moment, ignore me, lol
Back on Topic: What about Bayleena? I don't know what her stats are yet, but she looks like she could do some damage. Or would she be considered more of a wall? o.O |
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| Judging from her looks, she seems to be more of a bulky Pokémon with a few (although small) options of damage. Perhaps if she gets a good boosting move, she can deal some more damage, but she'll never be a sweeper I think. |
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Natural | | 05/23/14 11:34 pm - Last edited 05/24/14 03:44 pm by Natural | Filter - Reply #16 |
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| She has great coverage. So if you could somehow nasty plot + baton pass into her, you could effectively turn her into a sweeper. Otherwise, unless she gets something to boost speed and/or special attack, she fits more under bulky offense
Edit: ok she has good coverage, not great. I didn't realize ice was only super effective against four types...still. One of them is ground, which is a type with great coverage, so, yea |
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